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f continua si f(a)=f(b), atunci avem f(x_i)=f(x_j)

 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: f continua si f(a)=f(b), atunci avem f(x_i)=f(x_j) Reply with quote

Fie f:[a,b]\to\mathbb{R} o functie continua astfel incat f(a)=f(b). Sa se arate ca exista o infinitate de numere x_{i}\neq x_{j} astfel incat f(x_{i})= f(x_{j}).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In aceleasi conditii, pentru a=0,\ b=1 si pentru orice numar natural n exista x\in (a,b) astfel incat f(x)=f(x+\frac{1}{n}). (Se poate adapta si pentru cazul general.)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avem doua posibilitati:
I. functia este constanta pe un interval nedegenerat [c,d]\subseteq [a,b]. Aici avem concluzia.
II. functia nu este constanta pe niciun interval din [a,b]. Atunci din teorema Weierstrass functia isi atinge efectiv minimul si maximul si fie c_m,\ c_Mdoua puncte din [a,b] a.i. f(c_m)=\min_{x\in[a,b]} f(x)=m;\ f(c_M)=\max_{x\in[a,b]} f(x)=M. Unul dintre aceste doua puncte se afla in interiorul intervalului, altfel functia ar fi constanta. Alegem pe c_m\in (a,b). Cum c_m este punct de minim global (deci si local), atunci avem o vecinatate V\subset V(c_m) \ a.i.\ \forall x\in V ,f(x)\ge f(c_m)=m. Fie (c_m-\eps,c_m+\eps)\subset V. Avem ca intervalul [c_m-\frac{\eps}{2},c_m+\frac{\eps}{2}]\subset (c_m-\eps,c_m+\eps). Avem f([c_m-\frac{\eps}{2},c_m])\subseteq f([c_m,c_m+\frac{\eps}{2}]) sau invers si cum cele doua multimi sunt intervale (cele din paranteze iar reuniunea este doar un punct intre cele doua, adica c_m), avem concluzia.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

 f e continua, deci  f are proprietatea lui Darboux.
Consider la fel un punct de maxim sau minim, fie el f(c),\ c\in\(a,b\).
Acum f are PD pe \(a,c\), deci \forall y intre f(a) si f(c) exista un t\in\(a,c\) cu f(t)=y. Analog exista z\in\(c,b\) cu f(z)=y, deci f(z)=f(t) pentru o infinitate de perechi \(z,t\).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desi o sa para ca trag cu tunul in muste, exista si o solutie la nivelul clasei a XII-a care foloseste teorema de medie pentru integrale si deja celebra teorema de medie a lui Flett.

Solutie.

Fie \phi:[a, b]\to\mathbb{R} definita prin \phi(t)=\int_a^tf(x)dx. Avem ca \phi^{\prime}(a)=\phi^{\prime}(b)=f(a)=f(b). Aplicand teorema lui Flett, obtinem existenta unui punct \xi\in (a, b) astfel incat \int_a^{\xi}f(x)dx=(\xi -a)f(\xi). Pe de alta parte, aplicand teorema de medie pentru integrale pe (a, \xi), rezulta ca exista c\in (a, \xi) astfel incat \int_a^{\xi}f(x)dx=(\xi-a)f(c), de unde  f(c)=f(\xi) si de aici tot asa. \qed
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